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Reypublican
How genius do you have to be to create this? It's absolutely fantastic, I think this will grow to be my favorite album of his. I'm genuinely in shock.
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ExiledRoyal
50 years old today. If you were actually there back then, you'd realise that this album blazed a trail for so much that followed. It's a monumental addition to rock music. And I'm listening today.
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drizzlynewt
Right... And I can see that comment from you and go and look on your profile and, sure enough, if I liked Ziggy then I can find a bunch of other fairly standard verse-chorus-verse pop song artists who do similar stuff. On the other hand someone who listened to Ziggy and thought it was well crafted and had some interesting ideas but finds the standard pop structure it's working in kinda boring can see "Oh, there's a comment from someone who obviously likes Bowie but found this album a bit lacking compared to others" and what is found on my profile might be to their tastes. Surely that's the point of leaving comments on stuff like this where there's a direct link to what music you listen to? Or did you think I was making some play to be the definitive voice on which is the best David Bowie album and thought the rest of the world was going to fall in line?
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schsavelovas
I didn't mean to offend you, just thought that you can't deny Ziggy (as pop, and maybe as you can think, as "weak" as it is, no one will ever get to the point of doing something so unique) of been one of his best works, as much as Low and Blackstar also are. I personally didn't enjoy Low so much, but I reconize that it was highly influential for the music industry, including for some artists I really like (NIN, for an example), and it's not only by my personal taste that I'm going to conclude it isn't good. maybe it's a question of time for me to enjoy it too
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drizzlynewt
I wasn't offended. I just didn't really understand what the point was in saying "No, it is" in this situation. I think the uniqueness of Bowie's Ziggy era is severely overstated. You can look at music that was being done at the time by people like Elton John and Todd Rundgren and it's pretty similar stuff. I'm sure that if it was a style of music I was more interested in I could give more examples. But if you really like this and you're thinking you'd like to hear more stuff like it then it's definitely out there. I think if you're looking at the influence of Low and the other Berlin era albums on Nine Inch Nails you're only really going to notice it when you compare the instrumentals. Something like "A Warm Place" fits into The Downward Spiral really well but is certainly a departure from the normal stuff and, obviously, it's basically just a Bowie instrumental. Whereas if you're comparing "Always Crashing in the Same Car" to "March of the Pigs" there's not a lot in common.
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czarnuh
"Verse-chorus means crap. I'm so sophisticated I can find real, hidden gems in Bowie's discography, unlike all these lower beings. And I'm gonna brag about it." You know, there's more to a song than the structure. You listen to popular music with this attitude instead of trying to distinguish shitty, maistream classical composers from those worth your attention? You can always come across someone who will see your favourite mainstream artists and say what universally loved qualities in music are overrated.
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czarnuh
I am only limited by your ability to formulate sentences. I think traditional stucture goes well with this album's concept. My favourite is Low, but I recognize Ziggy as his best work. It's hard not to see act of entering this album's shoutbox and stating simple "it's not his best" as anything else than act of snobbery. It's like going to a party and saying "meh, there's a better one in a neighbourhood". Unrestrained willingness to share enlightened criticism.
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drizzlynewt
Yeah, sure, it's my ability to formulate sentences that's the problem here. Your comprehension is just fine and your own sentences are completely coherent and clear. "Unrestrained willingness to share enlightened criticism" indeed!
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DiffusedOctaves
"Hey, I bet you never listened to this artist - David Bowie. Very underrated and obscure." I guess everyone has been through this phase.
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nfopuhfxir
I feel like some of Bowie later albums are underrated. But this one definitely isn’t
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AloneAgain0r
period! Lodger, Scary Monsters, Earthling, Heathen, and The Next Day remain underrated, but yeah this one sure ain't
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HuppumiesIsPest
Yo Copaface1337, I’m really happy for you, I’ll let you finish, but David Bowie made one of the best albums of all time. One of the best albums of all time!
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Chrilu
Absolutely nothing is overrated with this masterpiece. In 1,000 years, when mankind is clearly washed away from the faces of the earth and an alien mothership lands, the denizens will walk out and find an iPod with this album on it. They'll listen to it for the next weeks and will wonder how mankind could create something like that, while on the other hand destroy the oceans, exterminate animal and plant species. They'll clone Bowie from a flick of his hair and hire him as their DJ and Cultural Minister.
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mclarge
You don't even wanna know Harrison! It was nice to realise i was having the epiphany at the time I was actually having the epiphany though, I suppose? Like maybe if I head it when I was a ten year old it wouldn't have had the goosebumpy tingly feeling it gives you when you listen to something that you can connect with. Just trying to take a positive from the late blooming :D
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