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PlayWithMorFeel
Apparently yeah. Too bad, Mark Heron was one of the most interesting drummers out there and who knows where the band would have been today. Based on some podcast interviews with Vennart, it seems though that they all used to smoke weed constantly, but a rift, according to him, seems to have been created between Vennart, Gambler and Durose on side, and the rhythm section on the other because of harder drugs. Then there is that infamous live show where Heron is under heavy influence and probably plays some of the worst drumming in his life...
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reg6031769
For some reason The Frame was my least favourite track, I've no idea why. I think it might be that, after the intensity and madness of Sleeping Dogs... it kind of falls flat. Still a great album though!
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lain-luscious
After they disbanded I have been continuously listening to all of their albums and now I really don't know how to rank them, it used to be really easy...but I'm impressed that they made a record such as this!...damn.
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PlayWithMorFeel
I believe this to be their best. Never have i heard a collection of songs that flows so naturally, beautiful textures, creative rhythms, strong melodies... overall one of my favorite albums.
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robslater90
@miro_san - Coming back to this i've got into the album alot more now and i love it. It's defintley grown on me, brilliant album, so unique.
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miro_san
robslater90.. this is far and above the most challenging Ocenaisze album to get into, but also the one that's the most worth it. I started with the first two, it probably helps to "follow the timeline" a little bit in their case. This probably is the best album they've released in my opnion... and that's saying a LOT because the first two are also phenomenal.
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robslater90
I got this album today. On first listen i see myself finding it hard to get into... Just got into the band myself, through recommendation of others.
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average_jon
In my book, the greatest album of all time. Nothing compares. Makes pretty much everything else seem a bit shallow and insignificant. Or in other words; It's reight bastard good.
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BurialEarth
Not at all. It contained some good tracks, but never reaches the dynamic power of the older stuff, which I love so much.
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GoldenSpiral91
very good album, not as good as Effloresce and EIP but still very good. Lots of varied influences. Bitta Meshuggah on "Sleeping Dogs And Dead Lions" was very surprising.
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rckstr111
The first time I heard Effloresce I was floored. I am still floored at how good it is every time I hear it. EIP just didn't have the emotion and raw power. To me, it was a bit too listener friendly. I just listened to Frames for the first time. I know it's going to take a few listens for it to really sink in, but I can already tell it isn't going to trump Effloresce. It is however, VERY good.
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DominiqueFrei
I can agree it is more complex than other Oceansize's albums. It has its own beauty. Several listenings to get into it - and one can enjoy its sometimes meditative magic sound. Brilliant music for unhurried investigation, long journey inside it.
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confu
And considering the "progressive rock" tag: If by "progressive rock" you mean using Mellotrons, retro melodies, corny string synths, endless guitar solos and high pichted voices, this is not progressive rock. If by progressive rock you mean being innovative, virtuosic, musically complex and completely dedicated to the music, this is progressive rock. For example, I think Oceansize deserve the progressive tag far more than a band like Porcupine Tree who ever since In Absentia kind of release the same album over and over again. Be grateful Oceansize are not standing still. There are far too many bands out there that copy themselves (most of the time not even very well).
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confu
How can anyone say this album is the least complex? It is by far their most progressive and musically complex release. There are even more rhythmic changes than on the other albums, but also harmonically this is probably the most complex one. But as DrTongue said, none of this changes the fact that they remain uniquely catchy. This album has its own kind of charm. Musically, this is probably their best. Emotionally, I like Effloresce best, Frames a close second (Trail Of Fire, Savant, Only Twin, The Frame are all potential tearjerkers). It is true though that it took me the longest to get into this one, for obvious reasons. You got to give it 4, 5 listens to really get into it.
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DrTongue
This album is just as progressive, just as complex, just as layered, and just as emotional as the first two. And on top of that, the band remained as uniquely catchy as they were on earlier releases. I embrace this release as a new direction for Oceansize...less hectic than Effloresce, less grungy than EIP, but just as soulful and pleasing...It's most definitely the most post-rocky release - but I just can't see how after listening to tracks such as Savant, The Frame, and Only Twin people can say 'size has lost the emotion. The latter half of Only Twin alone is the most musical soul-crushing moment in the 21st century in my opinion.
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Magnuq
I took sort of a detour to this album. At first I thought that it was the least awsome album of theirs (I rank them: 1.Effloresce 2. EIP and naturally 3. Frames) BUT since I got the Music for nurses EP I kinda grew into this one. I don't know if they sound alike at all but that EP helped me understand Frames a little better. The ranking stands though but it is more of a photo finish now than before :D
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confu
As a whole, you are right, I also consider Frames much more post-rocky, a big contrast to EIP, not as much to Effloresce (last 3 songs were quite post-rockish too). That I liked a lot, EIP being my least favorite album, as I already said. ;) I don't know, to me, EIP doesn't have that fragile beauty that I like so much about Oceansize. There are more heavy, rhythm-based rock songs with great guitar riffs, but not the slowly evoling sound collages that Frames and (partly) Effloresce have. Of course, I have to make a big exception here, which is Ornament, of course. As for Music for a Nurse: IMO Oceansize has similar songs that are way better. Almost every track of Frames, really.
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confu
Frames is even greater than Effloresce I think. EIP is their most accessible, but also worst release imho. What Jamah_ha says is true, Frames is their deepest release, the most progressive, and maybe not as accessible. But once you got into it you get absorbed by its atmospheres, its melodies, its rhythms. In my opinion, people who don't like Frames just aren't patient enough or don't "get it". I mean, come on, this album is ingenious, every single track. Savant is divine, Sleeping Dogs And Dead Lions rhythmically complex and unusually heavy, almost brutal (like Oceansize covered a Meshuggah song), and The Frame is, as usual for 'Size, an unbelievable ending to an unbelievable album. Folks, if you don't like this, give it another listen! It's worth it.
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heman159
yes, anti-numb is kinda right in a way... i loved a few songs of this album... Commemorative 9/11 T-Shirt is more of a 'every1 into position' kind if track if u ask me. brilliantly done, so is trail of fire. the rest are gud but didn't do it entirely for me.. notthing beats the makes of charm offensive, amputee, heaven alive. so ya, dis album.... not my favourite unfortunately.. but gre8 nevertheless.. those are jus my takes.. :) 'size \m/
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Jamah_ha
@ anti-numb: that's interesting, I kind of had that reaction at first (was my first 'size album as well), but now it's definitely my favourite album of theirs. It's less immediately accessible maybe, but I think that's part of its strength because there's a lot more depth to the songs. There's also something quite stripped down and raw about it - it feels more expressive and focused somehow - like they've really found and mastered their own unique 'sound.' So I would argue it's got even more 'soul,' emotion etc, even if it's less obvious. But of course that's just what I think, and I change my mind all the time, so...
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anti-numb
Am I the only one who doesn't like this album? I was really excited to see (or hear) something like Everyone Into Position but (sadly) i was disappointed when i heard this album. It sounds so feelingless to me. I tried to love it but couldn't. The other albums had soul, morales, and alot of character.. I feel that frames had none of this.
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